POLLOCK'S NEWS UPDATE 3/30 - At least 78,500 reasons to read today's update

Originally published at https://www.postwrestling.com/2018/03/30/pollocks-news-update-3-30-at-least-78500-reasons-to-read-todays-update/


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**David Bixenspan has done a lot of research into the attendance figure from WrestleMania 3 at the Pontiac Silverdome in 1987. The 93,173 figure is the most attendance figure in professional wrestling history, initially because of the legend of the event that signified the peak the promotion’s national expansion boom but has grown in legend because of the debate for over 15 years regarding its legitimacy. As the story goes, WWF event promoter Zane Bresloff, years after the show, spoke to Dave Meltzer and provided documentation of the actual number that was reported to be 78,500 and this was backed up years later when Meltzer was provided internal attendance figures by the company that also listed that figure. The WWE’s internal numbers when Meltzer was provided them listed the WrestleMania 3 total attendance at “about 78,000” and paid attendance listed at 75,700.

In Bixenspan’s research, Meltzer had reported an advance of 78,500 two weeks before the show and added that was 9,500 short of capacity for the venue, bringing the total capacity to 88,000. The Pontiac Silverdome website later listed the total capacity of the building at 88,000 and cited a visit by The Pope in 1987 attracting that sized audience.

Many of the documents to back up the various sides were unable to be recovered and there probably isn’t going to be a definitive conclusion, although it makes no sense for the WWE to have internal documents that would underreport the attendance. Bixenspan did seek to obtain these records from the WWE and didn`t receive a response.

The agreement most have is that the venue was truly full and there were no unoccupied seats. The other factor is whether the Pontiac Silverdome provided an accurate number of seats as their total capacity or inflated the true number and that presents the discrepancy.

If the 78,500 figure is accurate, there are two WWE events that have surpassed that total with SummerSlam 1992 at Wembley Stadium in London and WrestleMania 32 from AT&T Stadium in Texas in 2016.

It’s funny because if the aerial shot of the stadium was never taken, I don’t feel this debate would have raged on for so many years. While there was a lot of dispute when the WWE announced the 101,763 figure for the AT&T Stadium, there was nothing close the emotion of the WrestleMania 3 figure, possibly because it’s so much easier to verify a present attendance figure than one from 31 years ago. The WWE also stepped back from the figure and explained it wasn’t a paid number and they counted many people that you wouldn’t typically account for to reflect the attendance of a show.


**Impact Wrestling ended the month of March with their highest number on POP TV since July 2016. Thursday’s episode averaged 399,000 viewers, which is their highest Thursday night average on POP and second-highest number overall since the Final Deletion episode in July 2016 (when Impact was airing on Tuesday nights on POP). For the year, Impact is averaging 322,000 viewers on POP, which has been bolstered by their performance throughout the month of March where viewership has increased.

**HBO held a screening for the upcoming Andre the Giant documentary on Thursday night in Los Angeles. Paul Levesque and Stephanie McMahon were in attendance for the premiere, as were Hulk Hogan, UFC president Dana White, Gennady Golovkin, Big Show, Rey Mysterio (who the WWE posted a photo of in their story on the event), Mark Henry, Freddie Roach and Jimmy Hart among others. A photo circulated with Levesque and Hogan speaking together.

**The USA Network will be adding several hours of WWE programming to their lineup for WrestleMania week with the following announcements:
*Thursday, April 5th at 8 pm Eastern – WrestleMania’s Greatest Moments special
*Saturday, April 7th at 10 pm – A one-hour edited version of the Hall of Fame from the night before
*Sunday, April 8th at 6 pm – USA will air the second hour of the WrestleMania kickoff special
*Monday, April 9th at 7 pm – A replay of the one-hour WWE Hall of Fame special

**With the all the focus Ronda Rousey received for her appearances on “Golic and Wingo” and “First Take” on ESPN, I hope everyone takes some time and watches the interview she did with Brett Okamoto at ESPN on the same day. Rousey was relaxed and did the interview alongside her photographer Michael Mardones a.k.a. Layzie the Savage. Rousey spoke about leaving MMA and stated she had wanted to leave the sport honorably for some time prior to her losses at the end, she was concerned that the division would not be able to continue without her. Despite the appearance that a weight is off her shoulders and she has embraced a new industry, she has yet to announce her retirement from MMA and keeps the door open. She added that for her WWE appearances, she has been given bullet points for her promos as opposed to memorizing lines.

**ESPN has a piece on the L.A. Memorial Coliseum’s attempting to attract the WWE to run WrestleMania with a look back at the Coliseum nearly hosting the show in 1991. The Coliseum put together a video to persuade the WWE (then World Wrestling Federation) to book the Coliseum and it’s stated in the article by Joe Furin, the Coliseum’s General Manager, that Vince McMahon loved the video. The company scheduled WrestleMania 7 for the Coliseum in March 1991 and announced the site during the broadcast of WrestleMania 6 the year prior. The promotional campaign centered around attracting “over 100,000 fans” to the Coliseum and breaking the previous record of 1987 (see story above). In February 1991, amidst lackluster ticket sales, they moved the show indoors to the L.A. Sports Arena and transferred the tickets. In the article, Furin stated it would be great to try and get WrestleMania into the Coliseum in 2020 or 2021. Los Angeles will also have a new stadium for the L.A. Rams opening in August 2020 with Hollywood Park, which is scheduled to host the Super Bowl in 2021.

**The WWE has announced that tickets for the “Greatest Royal Rumble” will be going on sale Friday, April 13th. It emphasizes how fast this show has come together as tickets will only be on sale two weeks before the show on April 27th in Jeddah. Earlier this week, they announced that John Cena will take on Triple H on the show to go along with the 50-man Royal Rumble and are also advertising Samoa Joe and Jeff Hardy for matches.

**Tonight’s Raw house show from the TD Garden in Boston will feature Brock Lesnar defending the Universal title against Kane and Braun Strowman. This is Lesnar’s final house show commitment on his current deal and was only announced recently. The Raw crew (minus Lesnar) head to North Charleston, South Carolina on Saturday night.

**The SmackDown crew begins their tour on Saturday night in Huntington, West Virginia at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena. The main event is advertising AJ Styles vs. Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn vs. Baron Corbin and Randy Orton is also scheduled for the show in a three-way with Bobby Roode and Jinder Mahal.

**The major card of the weekend is New Japan’s Sakura Genesis show from Sumo Hall. The card will stream live at 3 am Eastern on New Japan World with the following announced:
*Kazuchika Okada vs. Zack Sabre Jr. for the IWGP heavyweight title
*Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi vs. Cody and Hangman Page
*Will Ospreay vs. Marty Scurll for the IWGP junior heavyweight title
*Yoshinobu Kanemaru and El Desperado vs. Roppongi 3K vs. Hiromu Takahashi and Bushi for the IWGP junior heavyweight tag titles
*Minoru Suzuki and Killer Elite Squad vs. Tetsuya Naito, EVIL & Sanada
*Hiroshi Tanahashi, Juice Robinson & David Finlay vs. Hirooki Goto, Jay White & Yoshi-Hashi
*Bad Luck Fale and Guerrillas of Destiny vs. Togi Makabe, Michael Elgin & Ryusuke Taguchi for the NEVER six-man tag titles
*Tomohiro Ishii and Toru Yano vs. Taichi and Takashi Iizuka
*The Young Bucks vs. Chase Owens and Yujiro

**MLW has announced that Fred Yehi will make his debut for the promotion against Maxwell Jacob Friedman on the “World Championship Final” card on Thursday, April 12th at the Gilt Nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

**The WWE stock closed at $36.01 on Friday.

**I haven’t seen the entire Korakuen Hall card from Friday morning, but I did see the opener between Tetsuhiro Yagi and Ren Narita. This match was excellent, and I highly recommend it with the performances from both among the best they have ever had since debuting. Kevin Kelly, Don Callis, and Rocky Romero all put the match over strong on commentary and the audience reacted to big to some of the submission escapes towards the end of the match. I’m very high on the current crop of Young Lions as you’re bound to see several become big players in the years to come. New Japan has posted the Yagi vs. Narita match and the Yuji Nagata vs. Shota Umino match from today’s card:



Impact Wrestling (March 29th)
-The month of March was a positive foot forward for the company overall with a big increase in viewership, some success with co-promotion of live events, and a strategic partnering with Lucha Underground for WrestleCon and a joint show that is selling very well.
-This week’s episode featured Austin Aries winning another title by defeating Matt Sydal for the Grand championship in a good main event but suffered the same fate that great matches on 205 Live experience.
-The Sami Callihan vs. Eddie Edwards feud has become a great element of the weekly programming. This week’s show saw cameras follow Edwards to Ohio to find Callihan. Edwards interrupted a local show and led to a brawl with Callihan. Edwards’ promo work is the weakest element of his presentation, but he stepped it up significantly for this angle and the feud feels important.
-Brian Cage and Bobby Lashley had a long match built around big near falls at the end and a surprise pin by Cage with a discus lariat and Lashley kicking out after the three-count. In front of a different audience, this match and the main event would have received more praise.
-The show has moved away from a heavy reliance on airing taped matches from local independent shows but this week they aired a Fallah Bahh vs. KM match from a WrestlePro card. It’s fine if you have a high quality looking match, but it was so dark in this arena and didn’t belong on television. You can fill the five minutes with anything and it would have looked better than the production quality of the match.
-They set up the X Division title match for the Redemption pay-per-view with Petey Williams announcing he would cash in his Feast or Fired briefcase for a shot at Matt Sydal’s title.
-The show has become much easier to watch over the past month, they are taking baby steps and the progress shouldn’t be overstated but it’s been notable this month.

NXT (March 28th)
-The semi-final matches of the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic aired this week with The Authors of Pain defeating The Street Profits and Roderick Strong & Pete Dunne defeating Eric Young & Alexander Wolfe.
-The Authors feel so ready for the main roster and will enhance either tag division on Raw or SmackDown.
-The announcement of the addition of a North American title was made by William Regal with a ladder match added to Takeover with EC3 (who debuted on the show), Adam Cole, Velveteen Dream, Killian Dane, Lars Sullivan, and Ricochet (making his first appearance on NXT as well). I’m glad to see this continent receive its recognition on WWE programming with its own title.
-We had two attack angles on the show for the top two matches at Takeover with Andrade Cien Almas jumping Aleister Black outside the arena, and an angle from the Performance Center with Ember Moon and Shayna Baszler fighting (and a cameo from Serena Deeb).
-This was another week of getting the pieces in place for Takeover, a good main event between Dunne & Strong against Sanity and the rest was a by the numbers the show, enhanced by the debuts of EC3 and Ricochet for some newsworthy elements.
-The last match to put together is the NXT tag title match for Takeover with the Dusty Classic finals scheduled for next week’s show.


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Debunking Meltzer’s Wrestlemania 3 Attendance Claim
Meltzer makes pretty convincing arguments to his subscribers/listeners regularly because he has to sell his gossip as being accurate (even when it’s not). If Meltzer didn’t make pretty convincing arguments about stuff than he wouldn’t be successful.

While I don’t know if the crowd was 93,000; I do know that Dave Meltzer’s claim that the crowd was “around 78,000” is absolutely false.

A few years ago the Bleacher Report did a decent article about the attendance claim and these images show the Silverdome during Wrestlemania III from several angles.

Meltzer claims that the WM3 attendance is less than the football seating capacity of the Silverdome-- there are clearly no empty areas of seats and no areas blocked by production equipment, the bowl section of the stadium appears completely full; therefore without even including the circa 10K seats on the floor, the attendance is still more than Meltzer’s claim.

For Meltzer’s Wrestlemania III attendance conspiracy theory to even be possible, the conspiracy must originate in 1973 when the Silverdome broke ground and construction on the stadium began and they’ve been lying about there being 80,311 seats around the bowl of the stadium ever since.

Remember: Meltzer’s number is LESS than the number of permanent seats in the Silverdome (NOT including the thousands of seats on the floor). As you can clearly see from the imgur linked above, all available images show that the Silverdome’s permanent seating around the bowl is completely full; therefore before even adding any of the thousands of seats on the floor the attendance is already greater than the figure claimed by Meltzer.

Also it’s important to highlight that when making this claim to Meltzer Zane Bresloff was working for WCW at a time that WWF & WCW were doing and saying anything to make the other look bad. More importantly Meltzer only shared Zane’s alleged claim AFTER Zane had died, eliminating his ability to verify Meltzer’s claim. Why Meltzer waited until after Zane Bresloff died to push the idea that Titan Sports & the Silverdome lied about the attendance and there were only 78,000 people there is very curious…

One other note:

If you compare the two sets of photos, it would appear that the Wrestlemania III crowd was larger than the Pope’s.

Wrestling Observer Coverage from 1987:

March 9 1987:
Wrestlemania III is up to 50,000 tickets sold with three weeks to go.

March 16 1987:
To the WWF, where Wrestlemania III passed 70,000 tickets sold, officially making it the largest crowd ever to witness a wrestling show in North America.

March 23 1987:
Wrestlemania’s ticket sales continue to be impressive, sitting currently at 78,000 with two weeks left.

April 13 1987:
Dave had the paid attendance reported as 90,873, which smashed the previous record of the Big Event. The live gate of 1.5 million smashes the Inoki-Spinks record by nearly double. Dave thinks this will go down in history as the show that establishes WM as an annual tradition, like the Super Bowl.

Sean Spicer is that you?

I don’t know why but an LA Wrestlemania feels blah too me! However an LA Coliseum Summerslam that sounds badass!

WTF is that supposed to mean??

Apparently not holding Meltzer opinion as fact makes you a Trump supporter.

Don’t worry about it, I was called an alt right too.

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It’s something that I researched years ago and never did anything with but kept a copy in my email. I’d forgotten about it until I read the Deadspin article and thought that it had much stronger evidence than the Deadspin piece (mainly the images I put together and especially demonstrating that the Pope’s stage was larger than the WM3 stage).

The Deadspin guy seemed to be pushing some bizarre conspiracy theory that the capacity of the Silverdome was a lie from the day the construction broke ground. Which is beyond foolish as there are taxes that one has to pay per ticket sold. If an event – such as the Super Bowl – sold out (which it did with extra seating added for the event) they are not going to lie on their taxes, etc.