WrestleCon issues statement on Gisele Shaw/Rick Steiner incident

Originally published at https://www.postwrestling.com/2023/04/01/wrestlecon-issues-statement-on-gisele-shaw-rick-steiner-incident/

There was an altercation at WrestleCon in which Steiner verbally went after Shaw. 

After her appearance at WrestleCon in Los Angeles, California, Gisele Shaw took to her Twitter page and pushed out a recount of an incident with Rick Steiner. 

Shaw claims that Steiner called her ‘dude’, ‘filth’, ‘a piece of trash’ and told her to get away and when another IMPACT Wrestling talent stepped in, Steiner used a slur to describe said individual. Shaw noted that the incident took place in front of other ‘legends’ who did not get involved. 

WrestleCon pushed out the following statement, noting that they regret what took place and shared that they stand with members of the LGBTQAI+ community. 

WrestleCon regrets the events that took place at yesterday’s convention and apologizes to Gisele Shaw. We aim to promote a safe and inclusive environment for all LGBTQAI+ members of the wrestling community. The issue has been addressed and we hope the remainder of the convention can be a positive experience for all.

Per PWInsider, WrestleCon informed Steiner that he is not allowed to take part or enter any of the remaining WrestleCon events. WrestleCon representatives did not get to speak to Steiner until this morning because he left to attend the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony. Steiner was not booked for the convention but was brought in by a third-party vendor. WrestleCon is attempting to bring the two sides together to speak about the situation. 

WrestleCon regrets the events that took place at yesterday’s convention and apologizes to Gisele Shaw. We aim to promote a safe and inclusive environment for all LGBTQAI+ members of the wrestling community. The issue has been addressed and we hope the remainder of the convention…

— WrestleCon – LA March 30-April 2 2023 (@wrestlecon) April 1, 2023

It saddens me to have to write this but I feel it must be shared. #InternationalTransgenderDayofVisibility pic.twitter.com/XMrDMJTgGv

— ⋆𝕲𝖎𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖊 𝕾𝖍𝖆𝖜⋆ (@GiseleShaw08) April 1, 2023

The current IMPACT Knockouts talent Gisele Shaw is a transgender woman and made that public in the summer of 2022.

Hmmm didn’t specifically call out Rick Steiner here and they didn’t address what they would do to solve the situation. Not impressed.

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They probably don’t want to put him publicly given Steiner being tied to WWE.

Unfortunate situation. Sad to see a legend act like this. Maybe some alcohol or substances was involved and he needs help.

No need to give some excuses, maybe thats just what he thinks sadly on substances or not.

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Terrible stuff from Steiner.

In a bit of hilariously bad timing, a new action figure of him was revealed for future release around the same time Giselle Shaw shared her story.

I think Steiner has severe right wing brain rot. He’s involved in his local school board which makes all this very sad

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Obviously, if this occurred as is outlined, it’s horrible. I would like to hear another account from a dog someone else who was there, or even from Rick himself.

I’m not trying to say Rick Steiner’s alcohol issues give them a free pass here, but it perhaps, might explain why he would attack someone unprovoked like this for no reason. Unless he’s just a biggot which really sucks.

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I don’t interpret @Alex_Patel’s comment as an excuse. If someone kills someone while driving drunk, you wouldn’t say that by mentioning the “drunk” part you were making excuses.

Sure its not the exact same thing as in one instance you are making a decision to get behind the wheel drunk, however in this case if Steiner wasn’t sober he clearly made a stupid decision to get drunk and then go off on somebody at a convention, common denominator is bad judgement.

What Steiner said was wrong, mean and bigoted regardless of whether he was sober or not, with that said, you can still pose the question of substance abuse being a factor IMO. (especially considering Alex is a physician and likely sees addicts doing dumb things all the time).

Thank you.

I’m not defending his behaviour. Most people don’t walk around in life yelling at everyone who they dislike. Sadly a lot of bigots out there - they aren’t unprovoked yelling at people usually.

Most times these sorts of things come out when you are either under drugs or alcohol, or perhaps because you want to pop the boys or something or are angry at someone.

If he has a drug or alcohol problem I hope he gets help 1 even if he is a bigot. That doesn’t excuse it.

I agree with you but Trump-ism and the general political tone in the US has made people like Steiner feel very comfortable to spout off whatever they like. He likely lives in a very red area in Georgia and is completely surrounded by like-minded individuals in a bubble. Plus if he was that wasted you’d think WrestleCon would deny access

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I can assure you that plenty of people shout things like this to minorities on a daily basis. I’m not sure why you’re looking for other accounts when they’re out there, yet at the same time making assumptions or guesses that he was under the influence or provoked. Pretty disappointing.

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Incident: sigh. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

True.

Keyword: most.

However, you’d be surprised how emboldened people feel by the perceived anonymity of the crowd or by the convictions of their beliefs.

Signed your friendly transgender motor sports friend,

Racey Jaycee :smiling_face:

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It’s really unfortunate people who say things like that exist.

I’m not trying to excuse his behaviour - it’s clearly disgusting. As a non-American I don’t notice the divide as strong where people just walk around and air their views like this.

Anyone who is saying stuff like that, especially when unprovoked, is better off not being part of the human race as far as I am concerned.

Understood.

Full disclosure: I’m Canadian and live in Vancouver.

Boarders or ethnicity don’t limit open acts of bigotry or hatred of any kind. Neither do politics within a geopolitical state.

The divide of bigotry toward trans people is very different from the political division in the world. It’s not a “my idea and team is the right side;” it’s often more a “you (transgender) shouldn’t be a thing, according to my worldview.” When it comes to open bigotry toward trans people specifically, it’s more the person’s deeply held values and ideologies that come into play than who they vote for.

However, Politics only makes it worse.

Again, you’d be often surprised where these words and actions come from. Sometimes, it’s more subdued; other times its passive-aggressive actions that can be presented as an accident or unintentional; other times it’s open and wanton bigotry.

You can’t know what people’s reactions to a transgender person will be until they are in front of them. As a transgender person, you never know when you are going to be someone’s first, and that person doesn’t know how they will viscerally react when faced with a transgender person until it happens.

Moreover, I’m transgender, you’re not, and we have lived and existed in almost entirely different socioeconomic strata. When you change those variables, you are going to get an entirely different perspective and experience. However, fun fact: the most vitriolic open transphobic bigotry I’ve personally faced was walking out of a grocery store on a beautiful Thursday afternoon in August. I’ll never forget it, and I wish this wasn’t the truth.

And I’m super happy that you are your family don’t or haven’t experienced open acts of bigotry or hatred in public. Seriously. And I hope y’all, and everyone else here, never does. :smiling_face:

Also, I 100% understand that you are not excusing his behavior and speaking to the person/bigots overall well-being, which I agree with you: I hope for the best and that if there is an issue, he addresses it.

However, remember that intoxicated bigotry isn’t like making a destructive decision when intoxicated: the later can be excused by alcohol fueling the actions, while in the former, alcohol serves to remove or inhibit the person’s cognitive processes that normally stop them from being an open bigot.

Simply put, alcohol exposes and often frees an agent’s true feelings or beliefs, and those words and ideologies of hate come flowing out easily like water from a tap.

Just because someone appears to be one of the “most” who doesn’t randomly shout their hate at the top of their lungs “most” of the time doesn’t mean they don’t hold bigotry-based ideologies. Many people are good at erecting a false and insincere veneer around them that changes how you perceive them because they realize it’s better for them to shut up than speak out with their true beliefs.

However, there is a lot to unpack about why people, in general, feel more free to be openly transphobic compared to being openly racist or misogynistic, and we could have an incredible and interesting conversation about that. However, this is not the forum for that conversation.

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Thank you for that very informative post. It must be hard to share your experiences.

it’s true, without being transgender myself I can’t pretend to even imagine how difficult it can be to face what you described at the grocery store. I’ve not personally faced overt racism and bigotry, but it’s horrible that people in this day and age need to go through that. If people just adhered to basic human decency and being kind and minding their own business and focused on how to live their lives instead of telling someone else how to live there’s we would be much further ahead.

Yes, I’m fully aware alcohol disinhibit your frontal lobe, which is why I was saying I wonder if he was intoxicated. I’m sure he always had his views as a bigot. I’m just surprised he openly attacked Somebody that has done nothing to him walking through a convention. So I was just more thinking maybe he showed up drunk and that’s why he’s so open about this stuff. Of course, these are views that he has, but I would’ve thought he would’ve at least kept it to himself instead of doing something like this

It was very interesting point in that transgender is different from racism – I know friends who are visible minority to have gone through racism somehow have difficulty in extrapolating this to transgender people. I’ve tried to have conversations with them about this but it seems most sometimes, I’ve seen unfortunatly quite a few transgender people in the context of a hospital where they’ve been through so much they have attempted suicide, that it disgusts me that in this day and age, we still have this level of overt bullying of people like this.

Thank you again for sharing your stories. Unfortunate that this continues to happen but hopefully, as we’re seeing with this post with people rallying around her, we continue to fight back against this kind of behaviour together.

If Rick Steiner has these views, I would rather he just kept it to him self. But doing something like that, nobody deserves that, and anyone who is sitting there, and allowing that to happen, is guilty as well.

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For all the positive progress and across the board inclusion that does and is happening, there is an unfortunate negative element that always exists in everything. :pensive:

From the experience of the people I know across the entire 2Slgbtq+ rainbow, myself, and specifically a few racialized trans people I know, it’s wildly different. But it’s bigotry, nonetheless.

And I’m always surprised and disappointed when it happens. It always derails the perception of positive momentum. You have no choice but to put the train back on the tracks and keep going.

The difference between racist bigotry, transphobia, or homophobia is very much a similar in kind but different in type situation: it’s all bad, they’re similar in kind as they are acts of bigotry but they are different in type as to how they play out or experienced in the world.

The hardest part of being transgender is people. Your experience speaks a little to that.

This transgender thing is hard enough in and of itself. Lol.

And to the people who do openly go about being bigoted in the world, like, we’re usually pretty nice and friendly! We’d probably get along great if you, you know, didn’t have to be horrible. :laughing:

And I do believe people can learn, grow, and change from past transgressions. :smiling_face:

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This is severely disappointing if true. The Steiner Bros was one of my favorite tag teams when I was a kid. The thing is, why not just be kind to each other and stay in your own lane? Fine, everyone has their own convictions. People just need to be human beings and start treating people how they would want others to treat them.

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Rick Steiner being a toxic and unlearned man aside from being personally disappointing is also potentially damaging to his son’s public push in WWE. Especially considering the optics of a merger between three companies with a litany of sexual predators and abusers in leadership roles, and new rights deals to negotiate on the horizon.

Fine, I’ll take the bait. :blush:

I understand you are wanting to fight for equality, fairness, and a safe working environment. We all are on your side and agree with you 100%.

This is true, and I don’t think you will find someone on here who disagrees.

However, among all of the wanting and advocating for progress and better treatment of women in wrestling that you’ve done around here (in my time here, be it as an observer on the side or an active participant), you never seem to a.) provide anything positive or a positive perspective on things and b.) never make any suggestions on how to make or implement any positive improvements for a better tomorrow.

Part of being an activist for change is furthering positive growth toward your desired aims by speaking up and about the issues. However, the other side of that is having an informed take on how to move forward.

While racism and bigotry are generally learned behaviors, these actions casting a shadow on Rick Steiner’s son’s career in any way is unequivocally wrong, as there is no way to suggest these views of the father are entirely those of the son, save for the family connection. Correlation does not equal causation.

I would never want to be held accountable for the transgressions of my father, who is a bigot and addict himself. This incident should have nothing to do with the merger nor with anything going on creatively in that company, and to think or suggest it could or will be is living too inside the wrestling bubble.

I fear you speak but don’t read and consider the words of others, speaking but not engaging or (seemingly) actively engaging or considering what others have to say here on the forum. However, there is nothing about Rick Steiner being a bigot that is going to affect any wider public perception of this merger or his son’s creative push. Get outside of the wrestling bubble and social media, and these larger issues - while prevalent in the world and spoken about - aren’t at the forefront of concerns: they’re an afterthought. Money is at the front and is the priority.

As for the optics of the merger: baby, it’s profits over people in Capitalism! Period. Full stop. End story.

He who can make me (the investor) the most money is he who is in control. Whether they are walking pieces of human trash in charge or not.

I spoke about this in the other threads and in my recent long-read article on ethics and sportswashing, which I mentioned during my appearance on Post’s Drive to Survive reviews: putting my ethical stance on human rights violations on front street for everyone to know, which are inclusive of all violations of an agents corporeal being that creates harm. Don’t come at me until you’ve listened or read. I’m also not the one who has given economics all of the power and value in the world, so there is nothing to attack here.

None of this talk about toxic people, behaviors, or a company being run by sexual predators and spousal assaulters is going to have an impact on tv rights negotiations. The demographic of wrestling fans has a bigger impact on the negotiations - both for good (tv ratings) and bad (long-held beliefs from wider society and the perpetuation of stereotypes within the wrestling community affecting potential sponsorships (although that seems to be changing slightly)) - than any of these transgressions of the people in charge.

So it goes.

So, I do have a question for you, literally trying to pull something positive from your assessments and knowledges to contribute to the wider discourse of positive development and growth: understanding all the variables in play, how do you suggest fixing the problem of having sexual abusers and predators in power in the upcoming UFC/WWE merger? What do you suggest? How do you propose overtaking the “seemingly” global patriarchy we all live under to somehow make things in this situation fair and more safe for all, when, for the most part, most people don’t give a fuck?

I could take this a step further to a conversation about women’s wrestling as well, considering your consistent stance and always harsh criticism of women’s use in wrestling, in particular in AEW. Everytime I hear your name on Rewind-a-dynamite feedback, you are a predictable cliche and have some negative take on the women’s division, never suggesting anything that could bring forth the positive progress and development we all want and desire, save for “move them from the death spot.”

However, I’m not doing that, but want you to know something specific. While attempting to be a positive agent of change for equality in wrestling - which is excellent in and of itself, I’m not going to engage with you on that.

Why? You, and I mean you specifically, represent a toxic element of professional wrestling fandom to me (always on the side of virtue and equality, seemingly never giving credit where it’s due for progress, but always having a (justified in ways) negative take, while never providing anything to help or suggest a path toward progress). Making your displeasure in the situation at hand heard is only part of the equation toward progress.

I divorced professional wrestling - which hurt my heart and still does - because the relationship was abusive, and your voice was among the overarching toxic element that made me realize I couldn’t have pro wrestling in my life at all, save for Post’s podcasts (after a relationship that lasted over 30 years). You, dear Benjamin, are one of the toxic fans whose feedback literally made me realize I’ve got better things to do than love something I loved for most of my life, when the industry and people therein (inclusive) have never reciprocated at all.

Remember this, dear friend (and anyone else reading this): words have material consequences (DTS Season Five review, episode 4, or in the Post sportswashing video I’m in on YouTube (I presume this line got in there)). If it wasn’t for words posted online, there is a really good chance Hana Kimura is still with us, and transgender people wouldn’t doubt their pursuit and choices based on words said or spoken in public forums and end up in crisis but with @Alex_Patel and his capable caring hands.

Your words were among those that helped bring about an end to my enjoyment of pro-wrestling, just like Steiner’s words of hate were a horrible diversion on the pursuit of progress and equality in Rasslin’, and how words of hate helped facilitate the end of Hana Kimura. For every Giselle Shaw, Nyla Rose, or our gender-non-conforming sister Sonny Kiss, there are significantly more bigots in the world. And most of them have far more power and influence than you, me, or the three wrestlers I’ve listed.

The world is far less progressive, welcoming, and inclusive than you think it is. I’m speaking from experience as a transgender person in the world who deals with it every fucking day. People within progressive movements or in residence in academia live within their own bubbles of a more progressive world than we actually exist in.

In conclusion, it’s not like we can shine a light on positives while making the problems therein known at the same time to help move things forward and correct past issues for the future, right? Not like, as a credentialed historian, I can’t find copious examples of this in action or how it’s a pretty good way forward for society in general

Anyway, give me something positive to return to when I do return to answer a dm or two. Tell me how you fix these issues that aren’t reductive and as simple as “fire them, replace them with x,y,z.” It’s clearly a bigger problem than that.

How do you change people’s discriminatory beliefs? Education and providing a road map to progress. Right now, you just shout your displeasure. Use your voice and moral position to speak for a path to progress rather than just shout your displeasure.

And while I’ve had fun coming back to the forum after a show prompted me to reach out to John and Wai about something serious, I’m out. We good here. This is a reminder of what I don’t need in my life.

Benjamin, keep fighting the good fight, but bring something positive and a path toward the better. Anything is often better than nothing. You never know when your words will have an actual positive material consequence on another and lead to change. Because, as I said, words have material consequences, good and bad.

And if you listened/watched and read, you’d get the sincerity of my character, that I mean no harm, and I want the best for all - based on ethics, not morals - believing we can change for the better. I’ll step away from the keyboard and go back to clicking now.

Keep making your voice heard but bring some positivity and a path forward toward progress in your disgruntled messages, with intentions of progress at heart. Maybe your words will have more positive material consequences rather than any negative consequences.

And with that, I’ll actually see y’all on the other side! Goodbye, and keep shining a light on the negative issues in wrestling to make a better tomorrow.

Racey Jaycee - Your transgender friend going back to the shadows. :blush: :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: :kissing_heart: :laughing: :laughing:

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While racism and bigotry are generally learned behaviors, these actions casting a shadow on Rick Steiner’s son’s career in any way is unequivocally wrong, as there is no way to suggest these views of the father are entirely those of the son, save for the family connection. Correlation does not equal causation.

I agree, I wasn’t suggesting that Bron shares in his father’s negative traits, or ignorance, but rather that his Father’s behaviours could affect Bron’s visibility on TV, slowing his push. I wouldn’t dream of making that assumption.

I fear you speak but don’t read and consider the words of others, speaking but not engaging or (seemingly) actively engaging or considering what others have to say here on the forum. However, there is nothing about Rick Steiner being a bigot that is going to affect any wider public perception of this merger or his son’s creative push. Get outside of the wrestling bubble and social media, and these larger issues - while prevalent in the world and spoken about - aren’t at the forefront of concerns: they’re an afterthought. Money is at the front and is the priority.

I wasn’t engaging in response to anyone else’s comments. Just sharing my own thoughts on the original story. So, what I posted isn’t threaded or related to any other comments.

And I wasn’t engaging in any good or bad faith with anyone else.

Why? You, and I mean you specifically, represent a toxic element of professional wrestling fandom to me (always on the side of virtue and equality, seemingly never giving credit where it’s due for progress, but always having a (justified in ways) negative take, while never providing anything to help or suggest a path toward progress). Making your displeasure in the situation at hand heard is only part of the equation toward progress.

I am sorry you got that impression.

So, I do have a question for you, literally trying to pull something positive from your assessments and knowledges to contribute to the wider discourse of positive development and growth: understanding all the variables in play, how do you suggest fixing the problem of having sexual abusers and predators in power in the upcoming UFC/WWE merger? What do you suggest? How do you propose overtaking the “seemingly” global patriarchy we all live under to somehow make things in this situation fair and more safe for all , when, for the most part, most people don’t give a fuck?

My suggestion for improving the culture and production is to showcase more talent from broader intercultural backgrounds in good faith. That’s often what I suggest in my criticism of the products.

Specifically, AEW entered the market with a promise to be a brand and product for everyone. Tony Khan, in my opinion, has failed to deliver on that promise consistently and shouldn’t be exempt from criticism for it. So, if it seems trite or cliche at this point, it’s because it’s unresolved and unaccounted for.

We often bypass this critique with something like “well their not as over as X” which is often a default rationale used for justifying exclusion and underepresentation at a leadership and even fan/consumer level. And it’s the same exclusion rationale Holywood had perpetuated for years. Leaving audiences under-represented and markets under-served.

What’s actionable about it? Political will.

AEW/WWE/ROH/NJPW/Impact — Whichever promotion needs to hear it. They could commit more time and creative resources to develop storylines for underrepresented talent and commit to telling more intercultural stories. That’s completely doable, it just needs the will and leadership behind it to start making those choices.

For WWE, UFC & Endeavour: Replacing criminally liable executives with those who aren’t. So, the firing part is still part of it. But, they can do something moral and simple by creating or adopting policy that prohibits predators from being hired or promoted into leadership positions. Hire or create an arms-length HR agency for safe disclosures. One that doesn’t report to executive leadership and has the mandate to investigate and act upon all complaints regardless of who they are about. Make moral and ethical accountability part of the culture for how these companies function.

I divorced professional wrestling - which hurt my heart and still does - because the relationship was abusive, and your voice was among the overarching toxic element that made me realize I couldn’t have pro wrestling in my life at all, save for Post’s podcasts (after a relationship that lasted over 30 years). You, dear Benjamin, are one of the toxic fans whose feedback literally made me realize I’ve got better things to do than love something I loved for most of my life, when the industry and people therein (inclusive) have never reciprocated at all.

I am really sorry that this is your take away from anything that I may have posted… Please understand that I share in your discomfort about the constant threat of hate and ignorance in the world. That is ultimately what drives my critique of wrestling and its toxicity.

The world is far less progressive, welcoming, and inclusive than you think it is. I’m speaking from experience as a transgender person in the world who deals with it every fucking day. People within progressive movements or in residence in academia live within their own bubbles of a more progressive world than we actually exist in.

My lived experience isn’t being a transgender person, and I would never dare to attempt to comment or speak through the lens of that lived experience. I don’t know the challenges you face in being yourself every day. I do appreciate and love that you are strong enough to live as relentlessly as you can as you. I also hate that you are challenged to do that every fucking day. You shouldn’t have any barriers to being you.

So, I comment and speak from my own experience, agian, mine isn’t yours, and I really don’t like making these observations or feeling excluded by the things I also love. But, like you, each person has a voice to share diffused through their own experiences. I comment through the lens of my own experiences. I am particularly triggered by predators, abusers, xenophobia and intolerance.

That said, I feel I have engaged in good faith here and with my critiques of AEW & WWE. But, I will try to be more positive about some things going forward. Sometimes it’s tough because Wrestling, like our culture holistically, was built through a colonial male prism, and that construct still informs TOO much of the content we’re served each week.

Part of the reason I’m curt in comments is just word budgeting. I don’t want to be actively wasting the air time of hosts or fellow commenters.

I appreciate the engagement and criticism.