The Fact Checking Thread!!!

Important clarification here:

The song “Tuesday” is by iLoveMakonnen, though it does include a feature from Drake. That is all.

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On the G1 day 12 show, John complained that Red-shoes didn’t see Togo come in to stop the Cloverleaf, EVIL was holding on to Red-shoes and that’s how they covered it. (Not that I think it makes much difference on the quality of the match).

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In the 2020 Hell in a Cell post show John and Wai weren’t sure when the last time anyone fought on top of the cell was prior to last night when Orton and McIntyre did it. They speculated the last time may have been Shane vs Owens at HIAC 2017.

This may be somewhat questionable because it wasn’t the two main competitors but at HIAC 2018 the Reigns and Strowman match had interference from Ziggler, McIntyre, Rollins and Ambrose, all of whom fought on top of the cell. Rollins and Ziggler fell off from the side of the cell.

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On the November to Remember '95 review, Davie remarks that it is interesting that, even though much of the Stone Cold character is present in Austin’s demeanour in ECW, he didn’t become Stone Cold for “a few years” as he was the Ringmaster before he finally delivered the KotR promo.

Austin was only known as the Ringmaster for a few months in WWF. His famous KotR promo occurred only about seven months after this show.

In the December 1st edition of “Review-A-Raw!” Both Wai and Nate wonder if there’s been a group that has fallen faster than RETRIBUTION?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYaHqVvuLE

The Group lasted for 5 months

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Spectacular fact-check.

I’m so happy to be digging into this incredible thread after a very long excursion. Capital work by so many.

To append to TAnthony’s fact-check, what made this one even more remarkable is that the clairvoyant feedback at 2:16:40 of this episode also made the same error confusing Due South with Northern Exposure.

As TAnthony describes, Northern Exposure was a quirky early- to mid-90s CBS program. Due South was produced in Canada and aired on CTV here; the Canadian producers also sold the show to CBS, and it aired in the US for a couple of seasons. Good shows, both.

The King is Back!!

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During the WWE Survivor Series 2002 edition of Rewind-A-Wai, as the hosts are discussing the main event Elimination Chamber match, John describes his shock that Shawn Michaels’ elbow drop from the top of one of the pods onto Triple H wasn’t scrapped after RVD nearly caved Tri’s throat in just moments earlier. Wai points out that of all the wrestlers you could trust to execute the move correctly, it would be Shawn; John counters that Shawn had only had one match since 2000.

While technically true, an accurate accounting of the facts would’ve supported John’s point even better - per Cagematch, Shawn had only one match between the Survivor Series 2002 bout and WrestleMania XIV on March 29, 1998.

In Rewind-A-Wai #73: WWF King of the Ring 1995, John sets the scene for that era, including mention of Steve Austin suffering a bicep injury in Japan and being fired by WCW in the wake of that muscle tear.

Austin suffered a torn tricep, rather than a torn bicep. Dave Meltzer and the Wrestling Observer initially reported the injury as a torn bicep in July 1995, but would later correctly identify it as a tricep tear when Austin was fired in September of that year. This Reddit post lists several Observer reports featuring Austin from the second half of that year, helping to set the record straight.

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Also during Rewind-A-Wai #73: WWF King of the Ring 1995, the chaps are discussing Yokozuna’s weight, who was billed as weighing 641 pounds for this event, topping Haystacks Calhoun. Wai supposes that Haystacks Calhoun had previously held the record for heaviest pro wrestler.

Noting that wrestlers’ billed weights are historically almost always kayfabe, at least one wrestler likely outweighed both Yokozuna and Calhoun - Happy Humphrey (real name William Joseph Cobb) likely weighed in the neighbourhood of 750 pounds during his matches, including one bout against Calhoun at a sold-out event at Madison Square Garden promoted by Vince McMahon, Sr. You might also remember him as being listed for many years in the Guinness Book of World Records as the human who had lost the most weight; Cobb ballooned to over 900 pounds after leaving wrestling, but volunteered for an obesity study at the Medical College of Georgia in the 1960s, and after a two-year stay, emerged at a far healthier 232 pounds. Cobb died at age 62.

Two other contenders in the conversation for said record would be the McGuire Twins (real names Billy and Benny McGrary), who were believed to have weighed over 700 pounds, and who are the same twins from the infamous fat-twins-on-minibikes photo.

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Just so I know, what was the story behind the WW(W?)F title Antonio Inoki and Bob Backlund?

I remembered hearing that Inoki “won” the title from Backlund, and, allegedly, management didn’t want to acknowledge it, so they gave it back to Backlund.

Supposedly, the President of the WWWF at the time was Japanese, so he gave a title run to Inoki, but Inoki just gave the title back.

Was this account accurate at all?

There’s some truth to that, but I’ll try to clear things up.

First, the WWWF was rebranded the WWF in 1979 - the events you speak of occurred shortly after this change.

Late that year, Inoki defated Backlund in a title bout that took place in Japan. Backlund won the championship back a week later in a rematch; however, WWF (kayfabe) President Hisashi Shinma, the predecessor to Jack Tunney, declared the match a no-contest due to interference by Tiger Jeet Singh. Inoki refused to have the title returned to him, and Shinma responded by declaring the championship vacant. Backlund regained the title before the end of the year in a match against Bobby Duncum.

While all of this occurred, none of it is canon or recognized by WWE. The motivations were business arrangements Vince McMahon, Sr. had with his Japanese promotional counterparts; basically, hotshotting title matches and title changes to drum up business for the Japanese tour.

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Well, Inoki was inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame by Stan Hansen, did he not?

That did happen in 2010, but that’s an entirely separate affair. The title changes in 1979 between Backlund and Inoki are simply not recognized by the WWE record books.

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Cool. Thanks, Hacksaw.

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In Rewind-A-Wai #20: WWF In Your House 9 “International Incident”, John and Wai are setting the scene, with the event having taken place at the arena formerly known as GM Place in Vancouver, BC. Wai brings up how Canada was home to a number of GM plants, but wonders whether any of them remain.

Canada was home to several GM plants during the 20th century; however, beginning in 2004, GM began to decommission several Canadian plants. Currently, only one vehicle plant remains in Canada (Ingersoll, Ontario), producing the Chevrolet Equinox.

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During the beginning of Rewind-A-Wai #65: “Lonesome Dove” starring Bret Hart (1995), Wai guarantees that it will be the only Lonesome Dove review/discussion/podcast that exists on the iTunes charts. John takes it a step further and says that it will be the last Lonesome Dove review-specific podcast that will ever exist.

Whether by design or cosmic coincidence, we may never know, but POST Wrestling producer and all-around nice guy @jaykhunter and the OSW Review video podcast would take a look at Bret Hart’s run with Lonesome Dove only a couple of months after John and Wai did (indeed, Jay’s appearance near the end of Rewind-A-Wai #65 might sound familiar):

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It’s good to have you back Hacksaw!

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What was the eerie story behind a Wiki source that told of Chris Benoit’s murder-suicide days before the fact?

I heard someone reported this ahead of time, but it turned out that it was just a coincidence, if anyone believes in coincidence.

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That one I can’t field…I’m used to this thread just fact-checking shows on the POST Wrestling podcast network. :slight_smile: